The ebike I have has a top speed of 20 mph. That is 100% fine for the type of riding I do. For my teen and partner, they would want someone similar for a few reasons. 1, they would be riding with me who has a speed of 20mph. 2, they are not speed demons and it would feel odd/wrong to go faster than a standard bike, and 3, injury prevention. My husband didn't learn to ride a bike until his 20s and while comforable, he's tentative. My teen learned at 13 and he has high functioning autism. I don't know if it matters or not, but both are 6'2" and have average weight and fitness (we fast walk daily for exercise). I realize that pedestrian speed might not be other people's aims/goals and that is 100% fine, but I want to be able to control speed easily. If I were to do the mid-drive bike, will it be easy to control speed? I see in several posts by Johnny that mid-drive has a learning curve. With that knowledge, would it maybe be better for fairly novice cyclists who are only used to standard bikes to go with a rear hub (which mine is) I simply don't know how this compares? Our bike riding will be around town (we live in a planned community full of paved pathways) and on scenic bike paths near us. It's just hilly. We live in a valley to even get out of our neighborhood, it means a climb that "can" be done with a regular bike, but it's not pleasant. Thanks for any help!
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So we always recommend mid drive ebike kits, the torque and power and ease of bike / tire maintenance / conversion is much better than hub motors. Street legal in the US is max 750w ebike motor in most areas, higher wattage meant for off road. Its good to know what kind of terrain youre facing, if you need climbing then a 750w will come in handy big. In bafang kits you can program the max speed before the motor cuts off in either the display or the controller. In the tongsheng it probably has somethin similar and its a torque sensing motor, with some pros and cons vs the bafang. https://www.johnnynerdout.com/motors-1 I dont know much about it as I have a bafang kit. Whichever is more economical for multiple bike conversions you may want to consider. See youtube videos of motor kit reviews to see what you might like more. Love the bafang but in the future new and better kits are sure to come along, and when you go custom you can upgrade your main bike and put the old kit on another bike. Best way to go.
Also, the learning curve for ebikes is easy. Mostly like a normal bike, but you have pedal assist levels you can set and forget, and a throttle if you need some extra juice sometimes. Just knowing to be in the right gear for your speed is basic.
Ideal requirements for an ebike conversion:
-Hardtail frame that fits your body right, has a good front fork
-8-11 speed rear cassette, properly sized front chainring/tires for your terrain
-Battery capacity to meet your range requirements, ability to mount the battery properly
heres my usual post for factors to consider: (a bit more detailed)
Factors and Questions to consider for Ebike conversion:
Please answer the relevant questions when asking for help on a new build in the forum.
1. What are your use case and range requirements?
-Preferred terrain - hill climbing or flat, mostly smooth hard ground or sand / snow / mud (latter ideally suited for fat tires)
-How much range do you want on a charge? - This determines what motor power and battery capacity youll want.
Multiply Volts x AmpHrs = WattHours ie my 52v 20Ah battery yields 1040 WattHours, or about 30-50 miles of range on a charge depending on how high PAS levels or throttle I use
2. What is your Bike Frame Model - Does it fit you properly? Is it full suspension or hard-tail (latter preferable for ebike due to ease of conversion). Is it quality enough to be worthy of an ebike conversion? (avoid putting high end ebike kit on a low end frame). Make sure you double check the battery dimensions that it will fit on your bike frame properly...(full susp frames often have a hard time fitting). Do you need folding, or other features? A hardtail with good front suspension fork and a suspension seatpost will perform well in terms of comfort vs a full suspension bike, and is easier for ebike conversions. Keep in mind fat tires ebikes are more suited for sand, snow, mud, roadways, while narrow tires are better in mountains, trails, forests, for agility, and need better suspension due to less tire cushioning.
3. Do you need more torque for climbing steep hills or more top end speed for flatter terrain? This relates to your ideal cassette / chainrings / drivetrain setup. Ideally you want at least 7-11 speeds/gears on rear cassette for ebike conversion, 10 speed is a great choice. Mine for example is 10 speed 11-36T cassette. Shimano Deore / SLX derailleur. Front chainrings/derailleur will be replaced with one ebike chainring up front. Find the best chainring for your use case. 42T using a BBSHD tends to the be sweet spot for me for steep hills / climbing - just enough to not be too torquey, popping wheelies too easily even while climbing steep inclines its a bit uncomfortable! I reach 50-60 kph on flats with just the motor, plenty fast. If you dont have too much steep terrain, more gradual hills and flatter terrain, a 46T stock ring may be the sweet spot for you, or up to 52T for more speed (higher Tooth count = lower torque and higher top end speed, lower tooth count = higher low end torque for climbing, lower top speed). Lekkie blingrings perform better at gripping the chain if you have chain jumping issues. Front chainring just want a slight gap off the chainstay, 1/8 to 1/4 inch, use motor spacers if needed.
3. Whats your budget? - Again ideally dont put a 1k+ ebike kit on a cheap 400$ frame…youll likely end up with a subpar ebike. Why bother on a walmart bike with no suspension youre butt will be sore! Better to match a budget bike with a similar value ebike kit. You can move the kit to a new bike also later. High end frames are more suited for a better ebike kit.
4. Do you have all the necessary tools, parts, bike accessories for the conversion? Are you sure youve done the research on your desired bike, made sure it fits you and is compatible with the ebike kit you want to install? This is to ensure no buyers remorse. Have you watched the conversion install video guides for bafang kits, and how to carefully program the controller post install, so you are fully ready to convert the bike? Its all pretty straightforward with a lot of resources out there though it may seem intimidating at first - actually finding my ideal MTB frame and converting it was a ton easier than sifting through hundreds of pre made ebike models…custom ebikes are the way to go!… You can see my completed build with my part list and links to controller programming guides are there. Good luck, feel free to ask for help.
https://www.johnnynerdout.com/forum/general-ebike-forum/victory-best-performance-e-mtn-bike-best-decision-ever